KARL JASPERS FORUM
TA 111 [Beamish]

Commentary 12 (to R12 and R13 by Beamish)

CONCERNING TIME & REALITY
by Herbert FJ Müller
31 December 2008, posted 10 January 2009

 

[PB]
‘All plants have "Mental Thought Processes, MTPs," or else they would not be able to solve their various, survival problems. And, "MTPs" are an "Essence of Mind" which for individual plants has a fixed volume.  Such seems similar for a virus although such a "Mind Volume" is smaller.’

[HM]
Apparently you want to trace ‘mind’ back to the beginning of life in the first self-replication of molecules.  If so, what makes them start self-replicating ?   Do they have a mind before they self-replicate ?     Or more to the point, what comes first, mind or self-replication ?    What makes them get a mind (before or after self-replication) ?   God ?   Nature ?    It seems to me that one cannot easily proceed from objective (i.e., subject-exclusive) biology to subject-inclusive ‘mind’ (except via a religious or quasi-religious ontological leap-of-faith).  The alternative is to be aware that you start from your own experience and remain in it, with an extrapolation to ‘other minds’.

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[PB]
Labels are PHYSICAL structures, & can certainly be mind-independent, as can be pricetags, shapetags, timetags & "Timetags."   One can certainly know something from memory, knowledge & understanding,  that is NOT presently in one's "Now TIME" and thus is NOT in one's Mind.

[HM]
Physical structures, including price tags, etc., are not   ‘known’   unless they are in somebody’s mind.    And if you remember something now, it is in your mind now.   

Furthermore, the ‘MTPs’, ‘MVPs’,  etc.,   are your inventions,  and  evidently start  from your mind.   If you see them as mind-independent, how do you send them out;  and  then  presumably you suggest they do something outside and come back to you ?

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Herbert FJ Müller
     e-mail <herbert.muller (at) mcgill.ca>