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TA106 (Müller)

Commentary 4 (to R1)

RELATIVITY AND "OBJECTIVE REALITY"
( 2c : TWICE THE SPEED OF LIGHT )
by Peter Beamish
13 March 2008, posted 22 March 2008

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Dr. Herbert FJ Müller [KJF, TA106 R1] wrote:->[Comments are in [square brackets].]
The following is a puzzle (at least for me) about relativity and MIR [or "Mind Independent Reality" or "Objective Reality" or "Ex-Essos" where an "Essos" is one's "Event Space Sphere Or Spheroid," a synonym for a Mind] ([MIR]=ontology) which I have not seen discussed; but somebody must have thought about it in the past hundred years. ["CETA" has in past 10 yrs !] ["CETA" is: "Communications Et/And 'TEMPS/TIME' ("Ct+RT") Association."]

[ - - - NEW, and please include for all definitive CETA references: - ->
1 Pg. Side Précises http://www.animalcontact.com/research/abstracts.html
& for "Essos" concepts see <http://www.egroups.com/message/time/11119>.]

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[HM, TA106 R1, end-note]
“If a light ray goes from left to right at speed c and another from right to left at speed c, how fast do they move in relation to each other ? In an MIR-view they ought to meet at twice the speed of light (and Einstein was an ontologist). Or is perhaps c+c=c ? If on the other hand reality is always subject-inclusive (à la Bohr), the speed of light is that perceived by an observer, and then the question is nonsensical, because the rays don't see each other; the problem disappears. (But : I can simultaneously see both rays with the help of mirrors. Does that affect the question ?) --- I would appreciate help from those who are more familiar with this kind of problem.”

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[PB]
If a light ray goes from left to right at speed c and another from right to left at speed c, how fast do they move in relation to each other ? The "relative velocity" of the two wave functions is 2c. If a light ray goes from left to right at speed c and another from left to right at speed c, and, such energies are added together, then the resulting velocity is c.

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A reality is NOT always "subjective-inclusive," or "Subjective Reality." "Objective Reality" = "Mind Independent Reality" exists when there are a LARGE number of minds that AGREE, for example that the Earth isn't flat ! If an observer MEASURES a "duration" for light travel, then she will get the same number in any space where neutrino flux is uniform & isotropic.

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And, THAT was the result of the Michelson-Morley Interferometer in 1887 ! If said observer MEASURES in the opposite direction she will also get c, but the problem does NOT disappear, the "relative velocities" remain 2c. Provided that "Mental Vector Processes, MVPs" from both "rays," could be "received," then the 2 "durations" (not times) would yield the above 2c. For concepts of "MVPs" see: <http://www.egroups.com/message/time/13983>.

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BUT, no light wave can travel faster than c, unless one can find a space where the "neutrino flux density" is diminished, by an amount that would allow the accuracy of "duration measurements" to show "superluminality."

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Peter Beamish
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