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Commentary 28 (to R10)

SUBJECT-INCLUSIVE RELATIVITY
by Peter Beamish
1 May 2008, posted 10 May 2008

<1>
[HM]
Thank you for your commentary on my R9. It is important to have discussion on these matters. I will respond here to some of the points ....

[PB]
[<The velocity of light in empty space is an absolute constant of nature and is independent of the motion of the emitting body.> Leo Sartori p48. This is an Einstein postulate of: Sartori's "Understanding Relativity."]

<3>
[HM]
The measured speed of light is variable-

<4>
[PB]
[As in Commentary 21 & time #14313: Certainly the propagation velocity of light isn't an "absolute;" SMALL variations may occur, due to non isotropic character of neutrinos. For above "1905 idea" it's now permitted to neglect SMALL c-variations.] [Yes this "-'absolute' value = the average of the measurement results."]

<5>
[HM]
the speed of light has to be relative to somebody [!] in order to be measured.

[PB]
[Au contraire! It is relative to "a fixed position" in space.]

<6>
[HM]
[Dr. Einstein] - did not differentiate between the two possibilities (standard versus measurement). - -

[PB]
[And all measurements have & will give the ("approximate" - see above) standard of ~300,000 kilometres/second.] [Your - "as-if-metaphysics"]

<7>
[HM]
avoids the conceptual difficulties, by including the subject-

[PB]
[Your "the subject" appears to be an individual!] [Subjective Reality seems - a synonym for "Mind." -a volume with NO MASS & NO ENERGY and because "Mental Thought" can ANALYZE "Mental Vectors" in the reverse of "Conventional time, Ct/t," (as now seemingly obvious from the math of most physics formulae), then animal mind can expand at > c.]

<8>
[HM]
Subject-only reality means solipsism-

[PB]
[Science is NOT subject-only!]

<9>
[HM]
The mind encompasses ALL mental structures: of - world, universe etc. [!]

[PB]
[Au contraire! The mind encompasses: ONLY WITH WHAT IT CAN COMMUNICATE.]

<10>
[HM]
'vectors'-private vocabulary-

[PB]
[!!Vectors/Glossary **** NOT private!] [Objective Reality (or "Mind Independent Reality, MIR") is outside one's
"Essos****." It does exist IF AND ONLY IF MANY minds can agree from data taken at OTHER geographic locations, & at OTHER "Conventional times t."]

<11>
[HM]
Objects are structures encompassed by - the mind, not outside.

[PB]
[No!]

<11>
[HM]
If 'many minds agree' on mental structures, that does not make them MIR-

[PB]
[If many scientists agree on a "scientific reality" that DOES make MIR.] [Dr. Müller states that MIR "eliminates the mind from reality," but what is eliminated is just one, or a few, minds NOT the "Deciding Majority."] [Your "suicide bombers - go to heaven" is NOT a "_scientific reality_."] ["Real times" ARE _necessarily_ "mind measured;" all durations are NOT.] [No "mass" & no "energy" can travel faster than "light velocity" period. But mind can be superluminal precisely because it has no "mass/energy."]

<12>
[HM]
This is upside down.

[PB]
[AU CONTRAIRE!]

<13>
[HM]
You mean that by thinking about the edge of the universe you are there? - -

[PB]
[No!!! PLEASE review "MVPs." Reference "MVPs" - Use "end line" URL, & "TIME" #13983.]

<14>
[HM]
Boyd wrote that gravity moves faster than light - -

[PB]
[Au contraire!!] [There's NOW no need to "deform" space & time is simply a SCALAR LABEL.]

<15>
[HM]
I agree, space, and time, and scalar labels are mental tools, inside experience (mind). However, as you know, in relativity-theory, the metaphysical thinking has made a big deal out of space- & time- deformation.

[Space, NOW, need NOT be deformed and "mind" seems NOT your "tool box."]
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